Pinterest Unrest, Computer Disasters, and Upcoming Posts

I got a message today from the folks at Pinterest explaining that some of my pins had been deleted because of copyright infringement and because I was a re-pinner and not the original pinner there was no accusation of wrong-doing but those pins had to go and would be deleted. Okay, fine, except I have no idea what pins they were referring to and now I'm dying of curiosity. Omgosh! Which pins are missing? I scanned a few of my boards but didn't notice anything missing so no harm no foul. If they hadn't told me about it I wouldn't have even noticed . . . still, I wonder what exactly it was.

Anyway, I don't think anyone really noticed but I've been less active lately, mainly because my laptop is finally at the large paperweight stage (ie boot up), and while I have access to the internet on my husband's old laptop which I am using now, I don't prefer it. It feels strange and uncomfortable, like wearing someone else's shoes and living in a stranger's house. I do have posts planned:

Posts about my attempts to introduce Coryn to Spanish.
Posts about FINALLY finishing a book.
Posts about looking for a new church in our area.
Posts about Matt being almost home and preparing for his return.
Posts about this super cool foundation make up sample I got my hands on.
Posts about another Liebster Award tag. 

So I hope I can get back to writing in full swing soon. My husband said he can fin my laptop when he gets back. Yay!

More later soon, knock on wood.



  1. if you haven't noticed what pins are missing, why are you pinning if they're not important or attributed????????????

    1. not knowing what pin it was puts me in a position of being unable to do more than guess what the purpose was of the missing pin. It could've been a recipe I thought looked good but wasn't planning to immediately make or a crochet pattern I thought had merit but wasn't about to to drop my current projects to get started on.
      As I was the "repinner" rather than a pinner it isn't always practical to trace back the pin to the original source to check the "lineage" so to speak, but it isn't completely unheard of for me to repin several ideas in a span of time to try later based on the image alone. I'm not sure how familiar you are with pinterest, but I use it mainly to save ideas for crocheting, crafting, and cooking, but there are some boards I use just to share and collect beautiful images or funny memes (my most popular board is devoted completely to Geek culture related jokes which are generally created for internet sharing and are by nature uncredited) which do not usually require attribution. If I had to guess, since photography is one of the few things that can be shared that people are more protective of their copyright to, I'm guessing someone incorrectly pinned a picture that I pinned into one of my "beautiful image" boards just because I liked the look of it.

      I envy your memory if you honestly remember everything you did on social media and pinterest over the course of the last month. I sometimes have a hard time remembering if I turned on the dryer or not five minutes after I have left the washroom.

  2. Hi Heidi...

    You were mentioned in a blog post on "Creators Against Pinterest" blog, and that is how I came to comment here.

    I am a professional artist who makes one of a kind original drawings and I post them to the internet with the intent to market them. Mine might even be some of the 'beautiful images' you collect with the assumption that they don't necessarily require attribution.

    Please understand that I recognize the frustration it must be to you to have unknown people like me commenting on your blog. I also recognize that Pinterest has done you and any other pinners a disservice by encouraging and promoting your participation in a website that facilitates copyright infringement.

    I have had to send over a thousand DMCA 'takedown' notices to folks that pin and re-pin my work to Pinterest without copyright permission. The email you received about a pin removal is the letter that is sent to pinners as a result of Pinterest receiving a DMCA takedown request from someone like me who does not want their original artwork pinned.

    Through lack of knowing or diligence when pinning and re-pinning, my images have no attribution to me whatsoever with links that go back to Google Images, Tumbler, or Bing, resulting in no way to discover the original artist or my website that displays my original images for sale. In worst cases, because Pinterest allows pinners to alter the title of a pin, a number of my pieces were discovered with the title changed, or with the title replaced with "Cute!!!!"

    Pinterest's letter to you about the removal of a pin that implies that you "did nothing wrong", that it was really the "first pinner" that is at fault, is an insult to the amount of work that I have to devote to locating and requesting removal of copyright infringing pins and re-pins. The repinning of an improperly attributed pin only compounds the copyright infringement.

    That you might find it impractical to locate the original creator of an image is the essence of the problem creators are facing with Pinterest. If an image is improperly attributed on the first pin, all the re-pins are wrong, sometimes hundreds of times.

    I believe everyone on Pinterest has been duped into participating in this copyright infringement business model that is Pinterest and that Pinterest places pinners and re-pinners at risk for lawsuit. Copyright law protects creators from infringement...use without permission.

    Most people don't read the terms of service before 'checking the box' that indicate that you agree to the terms. Pinterest's original terms allowed for them to 'sell, alter, distribute' images that were pinned. After a huge outcry from artists and creators like myself, the terms were changed to not allow Pinterest to 'sell, alter and distribute'. Pinterest then carefully changed the wording of their terms to safeguard themselves from any lawsuits arising from copyright infringement, and placed all the responsibility onto the 'pinners' or 're-pinners'.

    My hope is to inform and not anger you. If I can awaken and alert one innocent re-pinner to the problems it causes to creators, then I will feel a tiny bit better. When Pinterest disolves completley and people go back to 'bookmarking' things that interest them, I will be thrilled.

    my best,
    Leslie Hawes

    1. I understand your frustration, but to me the purpose of the internet is free and open sharing, and to put any fetters on it would be a dangerous challenge to free speech and expression. I feel this way whenever anyone starts an outcry on Facebook "owning" their status updates and pictures as well. The internet is a public forum. To me posting a picture on the internet and expecting it to be shared only with your specific rules is the same as painting a mural on a public wall or placing a statue in a public park and then getting upset when someone photographs it. Yes, maybe they aren't giving you attribution for your creativity and work. Maybe the people who see your photo will never know that your statue was carved by you with love and care, but your statue is in a public park and in that context some of the ownership has been given up.
      Intellectual property law is murky and out of date (or so a lawyer friend who was complaining about it recently on Facebook said a bit ago regarding some complicated law involving jail breaking cell phones, and I'm taking his word for it) and I'm by no means a lawyer so I can't really suggest ways to improve on it that would be fair or make legal sense.
      So while I understand your frustration, I certainly hope you are wrong, that pinterest will never be dissolved because I believe free sharing does encourage creative thought.

      I don't have easy answers for how to market your work and protect it as the same time if attribution is very important to you, but that is not my place. My point to this post was more that I was curious as to what pin violated rather than the right and wrong of pinning. Under the current system, I do acknowledge the right of people to protect their work with such methods. If you wish to examine my boards to see the sort of thing that I usually pin go for it. With the majority of my pins I do click through to make sure they link back to a useful source (mainly because some pins link to malware and spam sites).

      As someone who used to have bookmarks to 20 given crochet patterns and as many recipes at one time, bookmarking is not a practical means of collecting or sharing information.


    2. I acknowledge there are problems with the pinterest model, but I believe that it is always better to err on the side of freedom in information sharing and that also it should somewhat be the responsibility of the individual rather than the system to protect ones own work.

      I try to put myself in your shoes and ask myself what would happen if someone ripped out a chunk of my blog writing and quoted it as their own. To me it would depend entirely on the context. If someone was making a profit off of it, I would be upset, I think. I might even be annoyed if they were word for word quoting me without attribution and passing it off as original to them, but if they were simply emailing to friends without a link back, I would feel to some extent that it was simply the risk I took posting something the I created to a public forum.
      That said, my blog is probably not the place for this discussion because I do not specialize in these topics and I do not have the expertise needed to cover this well one way or the other, and me attempting to form a well documented and well thought out conclusion would take time and resources I simply don't have, so if you feel you want to continue the debate, I'll have to respectfully bow out. I am typing this one handed as it is with a baby who is ready to nap and waiting not so patiently for my full attention. The idea of looking up copyright laws and the effects of pinterest on small businesses and/or artisans and creating a thought out post on the subject with pros and cons and thoughts on free speech verses intellectual property (both of which are important but sometimes seem to me to be at odds) is something that maybe at some point in my life I would've been able and willing to tackle, but that's not happening any time soon.
      I'm not angry and I hope that you are not either. We are both simply reacting to different sides of a situation we have been put in and responding from different points of view, you that of a creator who wants to safe guard creations and myself who sees free speech and exchange as so important that the idea of any censorship, even in the name of copyright, gives me a cold feeling in my gut.

  3. Heidi...

    I apolgize for leaving the comment. You are right...your blog is not the place for this discussion.

    Pinterest is the bad guy here. Wouldn't it have been nice if they had let you know what image they had taken down, so that if you really wanted to keep it you could have contacted the creator directly to ask permission to use it?

    Pinterest intends to monetize in the near future, so I hope for my sake that no one has any of my images pinned and then tries to sell them as "Cute!!!' prints. How messy would that be? :)

    Ah, Pinterest.

    1. It's an interesting debate topic and one I can see you feel strongly about. In my younger days (dang, I'm not that old yet. . .) I would've been diving in, researching maybe even, but now a days I'm lucky if I just have time to spell check everything I do.

      They did actually provide a link but it linked to a 404 page not found, so whatever it was no longer exists on the web, at least at that location.

  4. Here you go, Heidi. This attorney did all the research. All you have to do is sit down with a cuppa and hold the baby while it naps, and read.


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